11 January 2026

Season 5, Episode 24. How Leaders Build Strong, Scalable Organizations with Clifton Dickens

In this episode of Innovation Meets Leadership, host Natalie Born sits down with Clifton Dickens, a seasoned information security leader with over 30 years of experience spanning cybersecurity, IT audit, governance, and organizational leadership. This conversation goes beyond technology to explore how leadership mindset, diversity of thought, and healthy conflict directly impact innovation, decision-making, and long-term organizational resilience.

 

Clifton challenges leaders to rethink how teams are built, how processes are designed, and why discomfort is often a signal—not a threat. From recognizing fragile leadership structures to reframing governance and security as strategic advantages, this episode offers practical wisdom for leaders who want stronger teams, smarter systems, and outcomes that actually work for everyone they serve.

 

[00:00 – 03:30] Introducing Clifton Dickens & the Evolution of Leadership

  • Clifton’s 30+ years in information security and IT leadership.

  • Why leadership today must account for changing workforce expectations.

  • Passion, flexibility, and purpose as drivers of modern work.

 

[03:31 – 07:00] Vision, Creativity, and Thinking Beyond the Box

  • Why innovation starts with the ability to imagine what doesn’t exist yet.

  • The importance of childlike curiosity and asking “why.”

  • How overconfidence and “knowing it all” can stall innovation.

 

[07:01 – 10:30] Identifying Fragile Leadership and Team Structures

  • Early warning signs of weak culture and vulnerable leadership systems.

  • Why groupthink is one of the biggest risks inside organizations.

  • The role of leaders in inviting honest input—not silent agreement.

 

[10:31 – 14:30] The Power of Healthy Conflict

  • Why the best solutions come from differences of opinion.

  • Reframing conflict as constructive friction rather than negativity.

  • How avoiding conflict leads to products and systems that fail in the real world.

 

[14:31 – 17:30] Governance, Compliance, and Security as Strategic Advantages

  • Why leaders often react emotionally to words like governance and compliance.

  • How security and controls accelerate performance when framed correctly.

  • Protecting critical data as both risk management and competitive advantage.

 

[17:31 – 21:30] Process, Accountability, and Organizational Control

  • Why leaders must understand where effort, labor, and energy are going.

  • How documented processes create clarity and accountability.

  • Clifton’s approach to periodically re-engineering team processes.

 

[21:31 – 24:30] Diversity of Thought Drives Better Outcomes

  • Why homogeneous teams create solutions for only a small percentage of users.

  • The danger of designing for comfort instead of effectiveness.

  • How inclusive teams create products and systems that work for everyone.

 

[24:31 – 28:00] Final Leadership Takeaways

  • Why leaders must look at the organization from the top down.

  • Understanding contribution, control, and direction.

  • Where to connect with Clifton and continue the conversation.

 

Quotes

“If everyone thinks the same way, that’s a sign something is wrong.” – Clifton Dickens

“The best solutions usually come out of some sort of conflict.” – Clifton Dickens

“Innovation starts with asking ‘what if, even when the answer makes you uncomfortable.” – Clifton Dickens

 

Connect with Clifton Dickens

 

If this conversation resonated with you, leave a review and share this episode with a leader who’s ready to build stronger teams, embrace diverse perspectives, and rethink how systems actually work.

 

🎙️ And don’t forget to check out Natalie Born’s book, Set It on Fire: The Art of Innovation, available now at setitonfire.co—a powerful guide for leaders who want to transform how innovation really happens.

 

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Don’t just get out of the box—break the box and set it on fire.🔥 Let’s go transform something!

 

 

 

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